in a direction that is statistically abnormal. >> that's an interesting case. it is. it's so hot there right now on so many different levels that it does raise a suggestion of cause and effect about what's going on there with this current case. i don't see that from criminal alsos. i have been watching these numbers for a while now. they don't say, don't connect it to the policing. go mark's way. but bullet more i think you have a problem there showing a community that's built under siege and now there is a lawlessness there. >> isn't harry right? i too have heard this harry is not alone. they feel nervous to act in a way. it has had a chilling effect. all of the attention on police excessive force. do you reject that outright? >> i don't reject it police may be under scrutiny. they feel they might be limited. i think that might be a good thing. if we look at the excessive force. >> they also feel people aren't listening to them. stx of arrests is way up.