and then when they are faced with a common enemy like the pakistani military or the u.s. military, they're able to work together as well. so it's an incredibly complex and confusing situation. >> and a perverse competitiveness, right? there's reason to believe that isis getting all the recent attention spurs the ttp, the taliban in pakistan or afghanistan, to want more attention. and that may be something that's spurring. but however the big deal is, let's put up the graphic that we're standing on of the different groups in this region. because it goes to what the pakistani military and government are up against. and the suggestion is, they can't handle it. what have we seen and why do you think it's been so difficult for pakistan? >> well, for the pakistani military, there are several issues, all the complex, complexities that we just discussed. but let's not forget, these are their people. it's not like they're going into a foreign country and they can just sort of go in and have at it. these are pakistani nationals. >> the sovereign nation, the