it out loud but it's two pieces. it was, there is no whistleblower because that person doesn't deserve protection, and there's no impeach. becau -- impeachment because there's been no inquiry. now it's swung back to the other side which is another trump response when your attack is just deny it. deny it by saying, so what? we did this and there isn't anything wrong with it. but if you're going to make the argument, the nuance is important. if you're going to make the argument that who a president is dictates foreign policy negotiations, that is not the same thing as saying what mr. mulvaney ended up saying yesterday, which has now turned into a controversy. >> that is why we held up the money. that's the money quote. and it's about money. i think it just totally undercut their defense on capitol hill. their entire defense, as you just played out there, was that this was inappropriate but wasn't an abuse of power. now you have, you know, pretty much an admission of an abuse of

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