that's his testimony. >> no. >> the omb official. >> told minimum. >> and the president has not allowed the omb official to testify. >> we could clear this up easily. >> that the information came from mick mulvaney. and that came from the president. mick mulvaney is the president's chief of staff. mick mulvaney refuses to testify in this proceeding. >> right. >> so the only people willing to testify are the individuals who are taking their oath seriously and understand the gravity of the hearings that are going on and who are appearing under subpoena to testify before the proceeding. >> firsthand knowledge, he was told by someone who was told. >> to get to the mulvaney point, fiona hill said sondland said he was told by the chief of staff. he had a deal with the chief of staff in return for the investigations this meeting will be scheduled. >> right. >> okay. >> sondland's testimony is completely different. i agree.