channels are being used, which is exactly what you would like to have happen. you would like people to have a if you see something, say something philosophy. what they're trying to do is say, the process is the philosophy. when you cannot attack the underlying facts that are being stated, if they have been corroborated not only the rough transcript of the president's phone call himself, the president's own statement and other people, at least over a dozen witnesses, what do you do? you try to go over the way in which the vehicle of information was actually traveling. so what you're seeing here time and again is not only with john talking about the impugning of integrity of one's loyalty, but also the idea, why are you not asking questions about the underlying substance of it? why are you asking the leaking to the media if again the idea of trying to shoot the message as opposed to talking about the underlying complaints. and all of this right now tells us, time and again, we have the same story. we have this july 25th telephone call that raised eyebrows, suspicions. it was raised up the chain, none of that has changed now. >> and if you're just tuning in,
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