that this should not have happened but it is not impeachable. the president won't let them go there. he keeps tweeting no, no, defend this as good and that's why he wants jim jordan on the committee because he'll continue to say the president did nothing wrong. >> carrie, how do you think these staff attorneys have been doing, daniel goldman, a former assistant u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york. a lot of experience in prosecution. steve castor, the republican staff attorney, how do you think they've been doing? >> well, i think the first mr. goldman, he is a career prosecutor and so he came to this with those prosecutorial skills and i think that showed in terms of his skill of questioning. he also has a lot better facts to work with. mr. castor is really a congressional lawyer. he spent a lot of time on the oversight committee. >> the chairman is now there. he's going to be seated. but go ahead. >> he's been on the oversight committee. i don't think that he is the same prosecutorial experience. his presentation was not as polished as the other attorney. definitely, though, having staff