got grounded after accidents and by the way a couple of accidents caused by doors that were not sealed or closed. so it's hard to find a comparison for a new aircraft model with as many problems as the max has had. but as i said they got a lucky break on this one. in aviation no one wants to rely on luck. you rely on safety and inspections and high standards. >> don't feel old. you touched on this, too. the max has had a troubled history. not the 9 but the 8 did two crashes in 2018 and 2019. how much of a hit has boeing's reputation taken in recent years? >> well, in recent years if you include the max 8, it was a very big hit because, you know, as you recall there were hearings in the senate. there were hearings in the