Transcripts For CNN Fareed Zakaria GPS 20240707 : comparemel

Phase of this war on ukraine. Just today, President Putin has made overt Nuclear Threats against europe. I talk with the president of finland, who knows putin well. I also sat down with the president of south korea to ask about the threat from his neighbor to the north, who just declared itself a nuclear state. Also, hijabs burned, protests rage and chants of death to the dictator ring out in iran after a woman dies in Police Custody there. What will come of the demonstrations . I will ask an expert. But first, heres my take. Lets not play down what has happened this week. The leader of the Worlds Largest Nuclear Power publicly threatened to use Nuclear Weapons. In an address in moscow on wednesday, vladamir putin declared that russia would use all Weapons Systems available to us to defend the country. He emphasized it. This is not a bluff. It might be. Putins threat is an addon of traditional soviet doctrine. Now they contemplate scenarios which it could use Nuclear Weapons. But putin nose that the west has powerful Nuclear Weapons of its own and that the doctrine of mutually assured destruction has prevented any power from deploying them since 1945. These kinds of threats must ramp up china and india. But what does it tell us that putin decided to make his statement anyway . That the war is going very badly for him. This month, Ukrainian Forces routed the russian army in a stunning series of victories. Putins First Response was to open a new ferris wheel in moscow, urging people to relax and enjoy life. A few days later, realizing that the Relax Strategy was not working, he scheduled a National Television address during primetime, and then simply didnt show up. He did give the address the next morning, using the occasion to issue his nuclear threat. To understand how badly the ukrainian war has gone from putins point of view, consider his decision to announce a partial mobilization. Russia did not mobilize its population for the nineyear war in afghanistan. Moscow has mobilized its citizenry for war twice since 1914. First on the eve of world war i. And then to defend against the invasion of the country by adolf hitler and germany in 1941. For putin in particular, this is a bitter pill. His basic Social Contract with the russian people has been, stay out of politics, and i will give you a stable, peaceful country in which you can make a decent living. This mobilization is the first time he has had to violate that contract. And for the first time in his 22year reign, he faces opposition from both the right and the left. At least 1,300 War Protestors have been arrested since putins announcement. But more ominously, right wing nationalists are openly criticizing the government for not prosecuting this war with greater zeal, manpower and firepower. When a war goes badly, people look for someone to blame. In a dictatorship so centralized, its hard to see whom to fault other than putin himself. Ctns all raise the ante. In addition to teaeapons and mobilizing russians, hes signaled that four regions of ukraine will soon become part of russia. Crimea was incorporated by moscow in 2014. This will make it harder to negotiate a peace deal, because under russian law, these areas would then be part of russian territory. Annexation makes it easier to claim that ukrainian attacks on those territories are not part of a contested conflict but attack on russia itself, requiring any and all means to respond. Of course, this will not deter the ukrainians. They know that russia has invaded their lands, destroyed their cities, tortured their people, and killed and wounded tens of thousands. They will fight to regain their country. And putins threats are not going to stop the west from aiding and arming ukraine. So what is putins game . And where does he go from here . No one knows, including perhaps putin himself. He has given some signals to indias president and president erdogan from turkey that he wants to negotiate. But the russian leader seems to be playing a highstakes game, which he knows that the outcome could be catastrophic. Its still hard to see how even if he loses this war, anyone in moscow could dislodge him. More than perhaps any major nation in the world, russia is now ruled by one man. There are no institutions, no central committee, no monarchy, nothing. The largest country in the world with the most Nuclear Weapons, is ruled by one man. It is as he once described it, a vertical of power. And that vertical looks more unstable than ever. All of this suggests that we have entered one of the most dangerous periods in International Affairs in our lifetimes. Go to cnn. Com fareed for a link to my the Washington Post column this week, and lets get started. On tuesday, finlands invasion of ukraine, calling it a cruel and unprovoked war, and a blatant violation of the charter of the United Nations. He called on u. N. Members not to accept, condone or normalize such aggression. And this was all before putins nuclear comments. His nation shares an 800mile border with russia, and the war in ukraine triggered the finns to apply for nato membership in may alongside sweden. I want to become to the program the president of finland. Thank you for joining us. Thank you very much, sir. Tell us what you think putin is going to do now. You have met him so many times. He does appear to be cornered in some ways. He does appear to be becoming more reckless with these Nuclear Threats. Tell us what your analysis of his State Of Mind is. I see he is actually in poker terms, he has put all in, and he is a fighter. So it is very difficult to see him accepting any kind of defeat. That surely makes the situation very crucial. You said i remember in early february, before the russian invasion, that something you sensed had changed about putin, that he used to be very careful, incremental, calculating, but that he was he was behaving in a much more aggressive fashion. Just in your conversations, what do you think happened . Everyone is perplexed by this. Everyone thought putin was yes, he may be a nasty guy, but it was a pattern of carefulness. And he seems to have become very reckless. What do you think has happened . If we go years back, we see or at least i have seen some kind of development in his thinking. Hes frustrated, because of the situation in ukraine after 2014. And then progressively, i have felt that his frustration is growing. Very obviously, he just decided to get this thing somehow, or at least try to solve it. Do you think that there is a possibility that he will expand his war aims . People talk about moldova, obviously, you must be you have to be careful watching. You have a long border with russia. We havent seen any sign in finland. Actually, its more calm than for years. So i think that he has enough now headache in ukraine and it doesnt seem very obvious that he could make any maneuvers elsewhere. Not now, and not in the nearby future. Do you think that some of putins change may have come about because of the isolation of covid, that he was only listening to a small group of advisers . Because you saw him many times before that. Do you sense that period of two years of total isolation has played a part here . Yeah. I met him last time approximately a year ago, last october. And yes, it seems that hes quite alone. There werent very many people, so he has been careful with covid and maybe thats why the people surrounding him are not that many anymore. And i actually dont know who are nearby. Stay with us. When we come back, im going to ask the president this question winter is coming. 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Its often thought that europeans are used to lets say, to a life that we try to better and better. First, we are very weak to face difficulties. But i would say that ukrainians gave an excellent example that there is stamina amongst people when difficulties come. And difficulties which we are facing are minor if compared to those ukrainians are meeting. So i believe that we european people can take it. And have resilience. Specifically, one of the big issues that people worry about is italy. Italian elections, assuming Madame Maloney comes to power. This is a threeparty coalition. Two of the parties have been openly prorussian. Is that likely to change the dynamic if the italians go into the European Council and say, you know, we dont want our as some of the parties have been saying we dont want to have to pay for this. We dont want Italian Households to bear the brunt of this war with russia. No, i actually dont believe that would be a problem. The other issue is that italy and the economy is not in very good shape at the moment. That might raise questions and discussions on some part of solidarity, financial solidarity in europe. I guess that might be even bigger or real problem. Are you saying that the italians will need money from the European Union so they are unlikely to try to break ranks . I wouldnt say that so directly, but nevertheless, their finances are not in very good shape. We have to keep that in mind, too. Let me finally ask you sort of where we began, which is where Do We Go From Here . There are people who think you just need to show as much military force, push the russians back, and then there is another school that says you need to start searching for some diplomatic solution. The ukrainians, as you know, are very opposed to that right now. What would your advice be to the west . I am a man of peace, and i think that every possible deed looking for peace is important. Thats why i strongly support president macron and olaf shotz, keeping the idea open to discuss with the kremlin. Also, i have to admit that at the moment, i dont see so very much possibilities to reach the peace. Given your long relationship with vladamir putin, would you be willing to reach out and meet with him and try to see if there is a deal to be had . Hmm, well, i havent had any contact with him, but if the situation would be such that we find the possibility of getting something positive done, i would. Surely after discussing with president zelenskyy also. But ive not been asked to do, and i dont see at the moment any possibilities to have anything positive done. Mr. President , pleasure to have you on. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next on gps, another world leader in another dangerous neighborhood. I talk to the president of south korea about china, taiwan, north korea, when we come back. But, at upwork, we found her. 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Kim jongun said his country would never give up its nukes and rejected any negotiations on denuclearization. The new law also allows pyongyang to make a Preemptive Nuclear strike in the event of an imminent threat. I had the opportunity to talk to the man who leads the nation on the other side of the dmz, the demilitarized zone, president yoon sukyeol. Hes been on the job only a few months and is new to being a politician, but he had some very interesting things to say. President yoon, pleasure to have you on the program. It is my pleasure as well, fareed. Mr. President , there are so many crises Around The World. Ukraine, the issues surrounding taiwan, for example. It seems that we may have forgotten about the issue of north korea. So i want to ask you to tell us from your perspective, what is what is happening in north korea right now . Is the threat or the danger from north korea increasing today . Translator i am aware that more attention is being put on ukraine because a real act of aggression is taking place, a real war is taking place in ukraine. So i understand that more attention is going there. And with respect to taiwan, china is increasing its tensions. For example, sending aircraft above the territory of the taiwan strait. However, at least for south korea, the