what did we do? we took the statements by other witnesses. we put it all together, which corroborated everything that i'm saying. so just because donald trump, what todd blanche makes a statement that michael cohen committed perjury it doesn't make a difference what they say. it's not supported by any of the jurors, any of the 12 jurors? it wasn't supported by judge. it's not supported by anything other than the defendant himself and his lawyer. >> well, of course, they'll they'll have to fight that on appeal. i mean, this all goes back to and i want to start here on one thing you went to prison because you lied to congress and you've said you did that to protect donald trump. you're working for donald trump. we did that to protect them and you told me the. prison takes your soul now, do you think about it in the context of donald trump do you want that to happen to him too? >> i would like for him to experience what i felt. i'd like for him to experience for 51 days of solitary confinement feels like considering he and bill barr with the ones that actually caused the 51 days of