plausible deniability with putin, they think that this might be a way to really increase the atrocities, amazing as that might be, that are occurring in ukraine. erin. >> horrible. an incredible report. david mckenzie there from london. i want to go to the russian investigative journalist, the watch dog of. russian secret service activities. what is the relationship between this mercenary group and putin himself? >> well, this relationship was quite close from the beginning and this group was funded and helped and supported by a businessman who is extremely close to vladimir putin and they knew each other from the 1990s but later on it looked like the vogner group was part of the