so in private u wink and nod, and in public you say rpgs i'm my own guy, and youngkin is one that is not directly out of that trump mold. that's one of the reasons why this frl the model, that will be the mold. mcauliffe is doing better than covid. there could have been a dealbreaker months ago. at the moment it feels less urgent. that's a policy commitment that could have real implications for public health. >> for sure. john, thank you. larry sobato, john, good to have you both.