constructive way to resolve this issue. but unless he works out a deal with the committee, he, too, could potentially be looking at contempt. scavino, he was only served last friday after the committee had trouble locating him but chief of staff mark meadows, he, too, has been agaengaging with the committee. >> thank you. so for more on paula's reporting, i want to bring in former federal prosecutor and former counsel to the attorney general in the clinton administration and senior elections analyst for real clear politics. so, shan, let me start with you. this could come down to whether the justice department will get involved. and charge any of these trump loyalists for not complying. you know, everyone keeps saying, okay, well, ultimately, it's all going to go to the doj. if there is ever going to be a criminal charge here. the attorney general's been reluctant to appear partisan. so there's been a lot of uncertainty about whether that will happen. so, shan, do you think that -- that merrick garland's doj will or will not pursue criminal contempt charges? >> i think, ultimately, they