for a reason you couldn't explain, no one could explain, weren't they under even greater pressure to give the president what he asked for in the call and you answered, ambassador, volker, quote, to my knowledge the news about a hold on security assistance did not get into ukrainian government circles as indicated to me by the current foreign minister then diplomatic adviser until the end of august. is that your testimony? >> yes, it is. >> and chairman schiff also got the facts wrong again when he asked you this, quote, at the point they learned their aid was paused wouldn't that give them add add added urgency to meet the president's request on theed bience. i think the ukrainian felt they were going in the right direction and they had not done anything. they had not done anything on an investigation, end quote. isn't it the case, ambassador volker, at one point chairman schiff said to you, when you were truthfully testifying, quote, ambassador, you're making this much more complicated than

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