they went back and forth on gun plans. >> i get it. i mean, he needs to pick a fight in order to stay relevant. >> ah, ouch. >> i this i if elizabeth warren continues to ascend, there are some individuals on that stage who are going to get a second look. because i do think there will be questions raised about her electability and mayor pete is one of the people i think will get a second look. amy klobuchar is someone else who will get a second look. but they've got to stay on the stage for the next debate. because this gets progressively more difficult as you know. i was just in there. you got a tough assignment tomorrow night. have you 12 individuals on that stage and all fighting for time. how do they make themselves relevant to make sure they come back to the next debate? that's a real challenge. >> and what we haven't seen in any of the debates is elizabeth warren take a punch and it's in part because no one's tried. it's in part because she knows