>> okay. paul, go ahead. >> why don't you let me make my point. this is about the judgment of the politician who's choose to associate with him. he is a rock 'n' roller, he is going to speak that way. that's his right, by the way. we've talked about this before. i think name calling is part of the american politics from the beginning >> yes, you have. >> that's fine. he has to deal with that. the question is, why does a politician of all the people you can associate with, why does he choose that guy? i think he's trying to send a message he wants to an sideline himself with those extremist views. it's about greg abbott, not about ted nugent. >> anna, that is the core of this, which is what's going to define the gop which is these very strident, very particular points of view. which apply to a base that is part of the gop that alienates a lot of people. greg abbott appears to be more afraid of losing that group, that core group of gun rights