then see. why he does have a credibility issue. even though this isn't one of those issues where the american people are outraged. i don't think they are. and it is a bipartisan issue that people agree. on it is important for this president to be very transparent about this. >> i want to get your response to something senator ran paul brought up. the director of national intelligence, james clapper. >> i think what our government is doing is unconstitutional. and i really think that in order to restore confidence in our intelligence community, i think james clapper should resign. >> should he resign? would that do anything to restore this trust deficit? >> well, you can throw a body over the side but i'm not sure that does anything for the president. i'm not sure that it fundamentally changes the policy direction of the country. the cia has been an effective tool in our war against terrorism. i know we don't call it a war anymore. but without them we probably wouldn't have gotten bin laden.