as it is so out of control in some of these red states. and it comes back to the question of, can they allow the governors to proceed on this course without confronting them more aggressively than they have so far, whether it's on schools or on masking or even looking at different kind of vaccine mandates. >> go on, david. >> i just want to say, look, i think that the fundamental question, the reason those states are in the position they are in is because they've trailed the rest of the nation in terms of vaccinations. we know what the answer is. you know, this is, as has been said many times, this is largely a matter of the unvaccinated infecting other unvaccinated people. now, there are precautions, masking and so on, that can help ameliorate some of these effects, or at least reduce the possibility. but what we really need are people to go out there and lock arms and say, you know what?