ahmaud's gone forever. i mean, we will get some sense of relief that we did get [ inaudible ] today. but as far as actual closure-closure, i don't think we would ever get that. >> you know, wanda, i have wanted to ask you about this. you addressed those insulting comments made by defense attorney laura hoge about ahmaud's toenails. she referred to them, and i am quoting, as dirty. why did you even choose to go there and include that today? >> the day that she -- she chose to describe ahmaud's long, dirty toenails was in her closing arguments, which i thought was very, very rude. i wanted to -- she -- she never made mention that when ahmaud was lying there with those dirty long finger -- toenails, ahmaud was also lying there with a big hole in his chess when he was shot with that shotgun, and she failed to mention that. so i thought it was very, very important to reiterate what she