u.s. senate -- infrastructure. >> representative stacey plaskett said to me, her concern -- i don't know if there was a lot of it, but much of it was there are pay-fors for a lot of this. to her, it didn't seem like she -- she thought this would -- it was progress. something would be done, but much of this was already paid for. is she correct in that? >> well, you got to be careful about being too quick to say this doesn't cost anything. these are trillion dollar bills. they're massive by any measure. the question is whether the revenue is going to offset the cost, and that's get down to the devil being in the details. if joe manchin says, look, i want to keep the corporate tax rate to 25%, down from the 26.5% produced by the house, okay. if they have a corporate minimum tax of 15% with real teeth in it, that could offset that.