the few things we can apparently find common ground on in the u.s. senate, infrastructure. >> representative stacy ey plaskett said to me that her concern, much of it, however you want to characterize it, was already paid for. there are paid fors for a lot of this, and to her it didn't seem like she thought this would -- it was progress. something would be done. but much of this was already paid for. is she correct in that? >> well, you've got to be careful about being too quick to say this doesn't cost anything. these are trillion dollar bills. they're massive by any measure. the question is whether the revenue is going to offset the cost. and that gets down to the devil being in the details. if joe manchin says, look, i want to keep the corporate tax rate to 25% down to 26.5% produced by the house. if they have a corporate minimum