angry and nonsensical about the -- you know, didn't wear a mask. or they are coughing in someone's face. or they're -- you know, it's just -- i don't -- i don't really get it. >> well, no. i mean, i think -- i think i do in the sense that look, the republican coalition, particularly under trump, has become increasingly dependent on the voters who were the most uneasy with the ways america is changing, demographically, culturally, and economically. and everything that has happened in covid, you know, has kind of provided an opportunity. you know, you would not think, you know, ostensibly, that a public -- the biggest public health crisis in 100 years would become the arena for a culture war but that's what it has become. and so, things like mask wearing or vaccine mandates really energize and antagonize a minority of the population. and as we talked about the other night, what we are learning here in california in this recall,