health divide, to bridge the wealth gap. they knew that if they said that, there would be a hypersensitive movement against him. >> i understand that. but kirstin, do you think t that -- how do i put this? do you think that in -- that there's a lesson in this for joe biden? because the former president is now out talking about what he should've done or why he did what he did, but is it a lesson for joe biden now to get it done while you're in office, to be bold, to call people out, to use the bully pulpit, to use the power of the office while you're in it rather than after you're gone talking about what you could have done better or why you didn't do everything that you wanted to do in the time that you were in office? >> so i know you're expecting me to say yes to that. >> no. >> agree with you probably. >> no, i'm not. >> because i actually think that