>> it will be a functional distinction if the federal were to get involved and suppress these state measures but it would also be fuel for exactly this revenge mentality, that all these states were suppressed by the crazy left. i hear you. but how it plays out could be a little different than how it is anticipated. van, i appreciate you, van jones. michael smerconish, as always, thank you. so to the presidency before trump. you don't get trump without barack obama. why? because it was fundamental in terms of fueling white anxiety and white fright and making a fringe mentality now able to be magnified, which is what trump did. so what does barack obama have to say? there's a new interview about his time in office, the times he bit his tongue about the tea party, and where he sees biden taking things. ezra klein got the one on one and he is here, next.
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