>> and was hunter biden? >> nancy pelosi wants a long, drawn-out process where the -- >> the '98 precedent -- fred, the '98 precedent was to have an independent counsel. you don't have it as apples to apples on this. what you don't like is you're being closed out. by the way, i agree with you. i think this should be as open and fair along with the precedent of expediency. fred, if we changed the names it, would chamber of commerce the ga -- change the game for you. if i said obama called up the president and said go get dirt against me and that's what i want, you would have a totally different analysis than you have right now. >> no, i wouldn't. we have to go the extra mile when we're talking about the impeachment of a president to

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