is really -- the house committees here are acting at their zenith of constitutional power. they are conducting an impeachment inquiry into something that may constitute a national security matter. so the urgency time is of essence and i think that they have a stronger case when you balance the interests here. >> zenith. >> hold on. jimmy, she's not talking about the television, by the way, before you jump on zenith. she's saying this is the high point of their powers. you know what you have against you on your side of the argument is the corey lewandowski trick of him saying he has executive privilege when he never even worked in the white house. it sends a message they're just stalling. this isn't good faith as you presented earlier. >> if we want to talk about zenith, the most important thing is the fundamental right to counsel for these individuals. they do have a right to counsel and they do have a right to talk with their lawyers and be