but this is an opportunity for us once again to have a more deeper conversation where advocates of gun rights and advocates for gun safety should sit down and say, okay, here are some of the common sense thing we should do. that includes the mental health services. >> i think person to person is the best way. friend to friend. mother to daughter. father to son. >> you had brought up earlier what i thought was an interesting point. we talked about this before. it always seems like jarod loughner, adam lanza, there are erie similarities in terms of the profile. >> young, white, withdrawn. we need to figure out why that is. sow donna's point, sometime we wait too long to deal with these mental health issues. by the time they're into the prison system and by then we have to deal with that but it is almost too late.