hostage. >> to senator thune's point, president obama voted against raisi raising. nancy pelosi once in 2004. you voted against bill that is would have raised the debt ceiling in 2005, four, three, two, and 1997. why is now the first time anyone's ever wanted to debate raising the debt ceiling? >> we just went through this in 2011. we already saw the stock market drop 2,000 points. we already saw markets tremble across the entire planet. we just did it. we understand what the consequences are. >> why are consequences different today? >> we have just learned this lesson in 2011. both democrats or republicans who might have had any views in the '80s or '90s. i agree with you we should not attach anything to the debt