of a dwelling. it was certainly illegal to have a gun at a military installation. that was an executive order from president clinton. if something like that had happened in virginia, the chances are much greater that somebody would have had their own gun, some bystander, some intended victim and been able to stop it. that's why we have a murder rate of 1 per 100,000. >> and all those guns are coming right across the border. into dc. that's what the statistics show. >> why don't those guns do any harm in virginia? they had to traverse virginia. >> the atf has called the east coast the iron pipeline. >> nothing happens in the pipeline. only in your dear, beloved gun-free zones. >> no, sir. that's just not true. >> anyplace in this country that should be a gun-free zone,