successful in defying the odds. but the kids who are right there. sort of in the middle. that can tip in either direction, that if they get an encouraging adult, if they are able to, as lazarus was expressing there, if they can find words to tell their story and express themselves and talk out what they're feeling they can succeed. that is part of what i think made this conversation wonderful is these kids aren't like sort of one in a million. this is -- what you just heard was young, black men all across this country. that's who they are. it's not the stereotypes. >> they're not proteges but they are brimming with potential. >> yes. so if we have a society that is afraid of them, we need to listen and hear them.