>> no, i did not. >> never met them once? >> no. >> not once? >> no. >> it's incalculable the odds that it's not. that they were not in contact with him in his environment. >> the fiber evidence is your biggest obstacle. >> that fiber evidence may have been manipulated in this case point blank and simple because they had a suspect which was wayne and that manipulation no doubt continued even after my trial up until this point. >> there were just too many fibers placed on too many bodies. >> mike dearham in blue seen here the night of the verdict was one of the jurors. >> what would the chances be of finding these same -- all of these fibers? the chances would be just astronomical. >> this witness, robert henry, did place williams with the very last victim, nathaniel cater. henry worked with cater.