acting on its behalf and in its name and that's been pushed back by the head of nato and the erm german authorities and it is an extra and interesting twist in the saga that's gone on for many month as we try to find out what happened. unusually, kyiv and moscow seem to agree that this is something that they both deny, one of the rare points of agreement that we have between them at this point. >> great to see you, melissa. thank you. joining me now for more on all of this is the former secretary-general, former prime minister of denmark secretary-general rasmussen. thanks for coming in. on bakhmut, we heard not only what stoltenberg said, but also president zelenskyy in a new interview with my colleague wolf blitzer. let me play just a moment of this interview with you. >> translator: this is tactical for us. we understand that after bakhmut they could go further.
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