is to grab americans use them as leverage in this case, reporter make spurious allegations against them and detain them, you know, potentially for long periods of time, but we are in very dangerous territory with him. this is all about leverage . and so now we have a human life. in the balance. do you agree with that characterization hostage taking kidnapping? yes absolutely. i don't think there's any question that russia is using this for leverage. look, russia, russia has become increasingly aggressive and increasingly lawless in the way that they interact on a wide range of issues, pulling, pulling out of treaties. obviously the invasion of ukraine the way they're conducting that war. i don't think there's any doubt that they did this as a kidnapping for leverage against the u. s. and it it really ramps up the tensions between our two countries in a dangerous way. i don't think there's any doubt about that. gonna be a tricky situation for the biden administration. how do you hope that this will be approached?