u.s. ambassador to ukraine. making clear that that is not the u.s. policy, it never has been and, in fact, according to him, that is what the u.s. is traditionally castigating other countries for doing. so you're going to see that probably come out in a kump more transcripts in the next day or two, but you're going to see that in public hearings next week. i think what we've seen is a continued thread that lines up with one another and that's going to blow into the public sphere next week. wednesday, taylor and kent testify. friday, yavonovich testifies and all of this is going to move to camera live and in living color. and the public is going to watch everything we've been reading in these transcripts. >> and that's exactly right. and it reinforces an important point to reiterate.