>> professor cha, do you think it's possible -- i mean, it's hard to know. but do you think it's possible that kim jong-un might see this exchange, might be watching these videos, might be dissecting this the way we have and say, you know, i'm going to do something really strange and crazy. i think i'm going to release kenneth bay. >> the new normal with north korea and this new leadership is everything is unpredictable. so, who knows. it's entirely possible that he could do something like that. and if he did, all of us would stop criticizing dennis rodman. but i mean, kudos to chris. that must not have been an easy interview to do with rodman. but anything is possible with north korea. so you can't -- you can't throw out that possibility. >> all right. professor cha, thank you so much for being with us. we'll see how all of this develops. see what comes out of this trip and basketball game. appreciate it. hardly could imagine it would amount to all of this, but it could be. thank you very much. south sudan rebels and government delegation, they have now started face-to-face peace
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