not dennis rodman. it's kenneth bay's family, who is really hurt, really scared. he's in a precarious position in a country that doesn't see the united states as access. we are pushing hard as well. i'm sorry rodman is in the middle of this. it doesn't make any sense to me, suzanne. it never has. i didn't believe our producers when we first started covering the rodman story here with everybody else. i didn't believe it. at first. i thought that jimmy kimmel was spoofing us. but now that it's proven all too real, i wish that he becomes irrelevant as soon as possible. but right now he's getting attention for this story. >> i'll take it. i'm a little happy it wasn't in person. i don't know what would have happened. i'm a little old. >> he reached across -- believe me, he reached across the world. >> reporter: you may have been talking to me horizontally now. bedside. can you hear me? >> i can only imagine. chris, thank you very much. and i really do hope that you guys end up discussing this again on the back side, when he comes home. we'll see how all this goes. and, you know, maybe we'll learn