but look, the nba commissioner, david stern, he said in his own words, there are many ways that basketball can work to help situations. this is not one of them. >> and chris, i've got to ask you this final question here. you obviously have the ear of dennis rodman, you guys get into this heated exchange. are you going to follow up. are you -- call it a beer summit, what you will, are you going to try to reach out after this game and get some sort of feedback, the down-low on his visit? >> reporter: what are you, playing me, suzanne, trying to get me into it with dennis rodman? he would kill me. do you see the size of that guy? did you see how angry he was? thank god it wasn't in person. i don't know what i would look like right now. for him to get that fired up, i don't know what it takes. as you well know, you're very seasoned at the craft of interviewing. you are not going to get upset no matter how i am toward you unless i cross a really bright line of offensiveness towards someone else or yourself. so it's easy for me to stay calm in that. because what matters to me is

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