effective. but it requires prime minister maliki to step towards the tribal leaders. >> let's talk about the state of al qaeda. president obama campaigned in 2012 really a regular theme. and here's the point he was making. >> al qaeda is on the path to defeat. path to defeat. path to defeat. >> so it doesn't look like al qaeda is on the path to defeat at this moment. what does this say about the state of al qaeda now? >> well, al qaeda central, the osama bin laden's al qaeda, has been largely defeated on the afghan/pakistan border. but you have seen, suzanne, in iraq. now you see in syria and lebanon, a surgeance of war fueled by al qaeda front groups and this isis groups which nick robertson was talking about, fighting in both syria and iraq. and you see al qaeda-inspired groups and somalia and in yemen.