name, in his blood. also known, though, by people in the vatican, he's a known quantity, he's seen as one of the guys for them. it seems to be a lot of different boxes to check, making him attract in, fair? >> that's imminently fair assessment and he's near the top of handicapping sheets. the problem in the last week and a half he's been styled in the italian papers not merely as somebody who knows the old guard in the vet can but somebody who is a creature of the old guard in the vatican. he's a protege of john batista ray. in an electorate that has anti-establishment mood, that perception, might some people believe, might end up hurting cardinal scherrer in the early rounds of balloting. >> it's so important, some have said why have we lost many brazilian pentecostalism with him there and the same thing