>> you think the white chefs here understand the greatest advantage they have is that this enormous pan african larder of ingredients flavors? >> no. if you're a whitey in the city you're probably going to eat the worst food of anyone in the city, quite honestly. in every country, obviously food is political. it always feels like it's a bit more political here. that there are these layers of things that you couldn't have. like restaurants. i go to restaurants. i think to myself, wow, this many years ago, i couldn't have come here with this person. they were not allowed to sit in here. and i remember very clearly being around 8. the cafe owner would regularly not pay the customer who was black with change. he would pay him with bubble gum. and the guy somehow, he couldn't argue. if you were a black guy, you got your change in bubble gum. i was 8 years old feeling like, oh, my god, it was so terrible.