[inaudible] i don't know the exact numbers. [inaudible] with artillery and trenches and world war ii. but with casualties are bound, and putin every dictator before him, every sylvia dictator, didn't care about human casualties. he will try to push through and unless ukraine has weapons to neutralize his attempts and to start the counteroffensive, this war will drive on and the list of casualties will keep growing every day. >> how many lives do you think vladimir putin is willing to lose? russian lives, before he changes his goals in this conflict? >> he will never change his goals in this conflict. it was clear from the very beginning. the goal of this war was to destroy ukraine's a state, because that was an obstacle to putin's plans to restore russian soviak empire. as long as he has these resources, he will keep throwing them.