>> prigozhin has put himself on the radar for some time, basically since last fall when the ukrainians retook kherson and had a lightning campaign through kharkiv. he has been complaining very publicly about his colleagues in the defense ministry. >> in ways that you would think in russia would get you killed, right? i mean folks have suffered worse fates for saying less than he's said. >> he's not had accidents on balconies just yet. to a certain extent, people thought he was getting away with it because putin had to let him get away with it. you couldn't snuff out this nationalist voice in the same way you could snuff out, say, liberal voices. but the fact that he launched this insurrection, this mutiny, this coup, whatever we want to call it, and perhaps we should think about what we call it, suggests that there were seams to exploit and threads to pull. >> best educated guess as to what happens next. where does this go from here? >> i think prigozhin is most