it? should they cast it? what will be the consequences? they're very sly and clever dancers around this nuclear issue. and in the meantime, they trying to discredit the united states. and we're looking at it and saying can we stop this without going to the source, iran? >> fareed, the role of saudi arabia in all this is fsinating. their response "a" to this latest round but also their war against the houthis. i mean, they bombed extensively a lot of civilian casualties, fatalities. they came under a lot of criticism for -- what do you make of saudi arabia's role in all this? >> well, you -- you put your finger on it, the saudis waged a multi-year, very expensive war, a lot of bombing. and what they found was that the houthis were extraordinarily resilient, that they could
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