happen. they're also bunched together. would you always want to stay much farther apart than that. so again, these are basic standards that clearly have not been established and they're certainly not performing in accordance with what normal standards would be for our forces. >> clarissa ward was talking about the defenses which are everywhere in a city like kyiv, on every street, hedge hogs, they hit on sides of roads. and we know that the molotov cocktails that have been dispersed. given that, is it likely that russian forces will just try to level these cities before actually going in? because you've talked about it before. they don't have enough troops to really adequately undertake block by block, urban combat. >> that's correct. as we discussed before, it is