and, look, i was one back in 1999 pushing hard for witnesses, but remember, this is a double-edged sword for democrats. if republicans concede and give witnesses to the democrats, i can tell you there will be a lot of republicans who want witnesses the democrats don't want. so this is a very, very double-edged sword for both parties as they walk down this process. >> david -- >> it shouldn't be partisan. should it be about america. our loyalty is to the united states of america. >> couldn't agree more. >> and our senators take an oath to the country. >> do you think that's what happened in the house? do you think that's what happened in the house? >> the house did their job. this president should have been impeached years ago. >> well, you have a different perspective on it. >> this president has not conducted himself in accordance with the constitution. >> david, one thing that stood out to me today in the wake of the comments from senator murkowski that go so much pickup. we've all been talking about them, trying to figure out what the there there is. >> sure.