bigger and not smaller. as you investigate. >> some people, sadly, have jobs. >> right. >> yes. but, i mean, the real question is, did -- people were expecting some sort of bombshell -- >> right. >> -- was it that kind of an impact today? >> let's just say that these two witnesses in their demeanor are professional diplomats. they're not bomb throwers, so you're not going to get that -- >> generally, they dismantle bombs. >> that is exactly what they do, but what we heard from taylor in his own quiet way was shocking news which does draw the line between the president and this policy and i think we're going to have to hear from sondland. the story gets more and more interesting because don't forget, ambassador sondland, who, by the way, is the ambassador to the eu, so who knows why he's involved in this at all, he's the trump whisperer. he's the go-between in this big story between the diplomats and the ukrainians --
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