but what i started out by telling you, anderson, is the little-known story that when he says what we used to do to spies and traitors, i think he must be talking about under george iii when telling unwelcomed truths about misbehavior or any other thing about the monarch was treason. and the punishment for that was drawing and quartering. so that may be thinking what he was getting back to. >> dan ellsberg, thank you for talking to us tonight. >> thank you for the opportunity. >> a lot more ahead tonight, including what the mood is like at the white house tonight with all the breaking news developments. we'll be right back. saturdays happen. pain happens. aleve it. aleve is proven better on pain than tylenol. when pain happens, aleve it. all day strong.