the gallop disapproval rating for him was 61%. so it's hard to know exactly how this is going to play out. does this mean that he's in trouble or does it not? we don't really know. >> you know, governor dean, i was talking to catherine rampell during the break. she was saying one thing to look for is the president is basically now -- we know he's attacking the fed, the fed chairman who he himself, you know, liked before he didn't like him, and now feels i guess a sense of betrayal from him. but he's basically undercutting confidence in the fed. and if the economy gets worse, confidence in the fed is actually something that's very important to try to maintain. >> well, it's interesting. trump really doesn't understand the economy. what he does is watch the stock market and the stock market doesn't always reflect just the economy. so -- but one of the things that does affect the stock market greatly is confidence in the