christ sakes. >> it happens all the time. it's amazing to to me right, how you can sit there and say -- well, let me ask charles a question. charles, you assume -- how many people that are black in jail how many do you assume are innocent? >> let's back up. let's talk about the streets of new york. let's stop with stop and frisk on the streets of new york. when we look at the numbers on that, the facts on that, is that nine out of ten of the people who are stop and frisked were black or brown. and nine out of ten of those never got a charge. that means they never did anything wrong, right? >> right, but they were probably stopping because there was reasonable suspicion to make a stop. >> i'm sorry, you can't look at that and say that is somehow just a fluke, people just happen to suspect. and when you looked at the number of people who actually were armed, of that group, white people were more likely to be armed than the black people. you know why?
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