for example, terrible gang violence as you know. we meant the and helped them. they have come a long, long way in colombia. we're spending ten times as much on the border as we are trying to help end the violence in these three countries. >> dan, do you see that as part of the solution? some people are going to roll their eyes at that and say look, is it our job to be trying to work on the violence problems here in the united states. it is our job to be working on the gang issue in el salvador? >> it's partly our job to be working on it. but it's also our job to encourage the salvadorans, the guatemalans and the hondurans to be working on it. the united states spent $8 million over a decade in colombia. the colombian government spent 10, 15 times that amount. and the economic elites stepped up to the plate and sided with the governmentment one of the problems you have in the central american governments is the elites tried walling themselves off and have not been particularly concerned about the levels of violence and the lack of economic development in these countries. and there is just so much the u.s. can do to help the countries they're not willing to