school science teacher. he's working as an openly gay man. >> lisa ling spoke to allen chambers for the special on the own network. first, it's great to have you on the program. >> thank you. >> did it surprise you he's apologized and they shut their doors? >> it did surprise me when he wanted to apologize to all gay people and people harmed by exodus. it acknowledged thousands of people had their lives damaged by exodus. it begged the question, what now? last year, they stopped therapy. this year, he wants to apologize to people they have harmed. what now? we witnessed what now last night. >> what does it mean? he's not saying being gay -- is he saying being gay is okay? >> so, he won't say it, he